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Donatello "Donnie" Hamato ([personal profile] soft_shelled) wrote2022-12-31 03:35 pm
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<S.Holmes>

[personal profile] detectivision 2023-07-23 10:45 pm (UTC)(link)
Hm.

I do not like his selflessness. It worries me. I worry about what he might do, what he might put himself through, if he decided it was for the best. I do not want to see him in pain.

Yet I trust that he is not putting on an act. He really would do those things, and it really is because he thinks so little of what he needs. That is what I mean when I say, "trust that his selflessness is sincere."

Even if that is not what I want to be true, even if I wish to see it change, I do not believe it to be a lie. He is not given to telling them, outside of self-effacement, and his actions, in the time I have known him, suggest the same. Wouldn't you agree?

Even if all of the adults you have known have been one way, that is no reason to close your eyes to the evidence in front of you that Barnes is different. Use your prior experience to inform your judgment, not cloud it. He is exactly as he says he is.
detectivision: (if I looked all over the world)

<S.Holmes> cw more brainwashing talk

[personal profile] detectivision 2023-07-24 02:57 am (UTC)(link)
It is not proof that you were right. It is proof that what you said hurt him deeply, and with Leonardo complicit in keeping the same secrets from him, how was he to know you were not both in agreement, especially in a highly emotional situation? If anything cracked, it was his belief that his presence had a positive effect on the two of you, and it was your words that did it. You convinced him he wasn't doing you two any good, and for your sake, he left.

He can be stubborn at times, but Bucky Barnes is a man who caves easily in the face of a stronger personality. Have you not observed how quickly he moves to correct his behaviour when faced with disapproval? How much approval counts for, with him? He had his autonomy taken away completely for many years and is still recovering from the ordeal. It is something one must keep in mind, if one cares for him: his free will must be treated more delicately than most.

You lashed out, a lapse in judgment, and behaved irrationally in an emotional situation. He also left in distress before verifying your words with Leonardo. If your irrationality is understandable, and does not mean that you were untruthful about your regard for him before then, than you must offer him and his leap to an unverified emotional conclusion the same courtesy.

And all relationships are transactional, to a degree. No one does anything without receiving something in return, even if it is as insubstantial as the satisfaction of seeing loved ones happy, or the pride in having taken action in alignment with one's principles. It seems to me unreasonable to insist that it was a moral failing for Bucky to get something out of your relationship with him, even if it was the satisfaction of feeling he was doing well by you. At least if you know that satisfaction from your happiness is what he is getting out of it, then you know he is unlikely to hurt you in the way you have been before.
Edited 2023-07-24 02:59 (UTC)
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<S.Holmes>

[personal profile] detectivision 2023-07-24 03:16 am (UTC)(link)
I am sure it will be appreciated. Discussing this with you has been clarifying in a number of ways, and I am grateful to have your perspective on the incident, as well as for your candor.

Out of curiosity, do you still feel the same about the other secrets you've held back from him? The matters you mentioned -- the actions you've taken for his happiness that you intended to keep from him for good?
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<S.Holmes>

[personal profile] detectivision 2023-07-24 02:43 pm (UTC)(link)
He was here? A HYDRA agent was here?

[The professional punctuation does not quite get across the actual outrage being felt.]

How? When?
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<S.Holmes>

[personal profile] detectivision 2023-07-25 03:50 am (UTC)(link)
And he remained dead, when you killed him?

[Priorities.]
detectivision: (you try to rid your mind of malediction)

<S.Holmes> casual murder talk!!

[personal profile] detectivision 2023-07-25 12:54 pm (UTC)(link)
You are right that, should he return, he must be kept away from Barnes at all costs.

[Eh! It's monster murder! Murder of one of them hits different from permamurder. This was like putting someone in jail, only the jail was the stretch of time beteeen death and possible revival.]

But I am not sure I agree with not telling him about the incident. It may take away some of his peace of mind, but surely that is better than leaving him wholly unprepared, if the man returns.
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<S.Holmes>

[personal profile] detectivision 2023-07-28 01:59 am (UTC)(link)
You cannot guarantee that you will encounter him before Barnes does in that case. Keeping the man blissfully ignorant led to adverse enough results when the matter was not such a personal one. All of this might happen again, and worse!

At the very least, I ask that you provide me with a description of the man, so that more of us may act as lookouts.
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<S.Holmes> discussion of capital punishment, hanging, gun violence, lmao

[personal profile] detectivision 2023-07-30 12:55 am (UTC)(link)
Ah, this was before the soup kitchen was sharing their information with us. His remains did not make it to me.

I can't say I agree completely with the summary judgment and execution. Everyone deserves a trial. However, any fair trial would see the man given the rope, and such a thing could hardly realistically be organized in such a situation.

Good work with the gun. You were right to go for the legs first.


[He doesn't like it. But there are men Sherlock Holmes feels ought to be dead, even if sending them to the grave himself at his own judgment isn't right, and the people responsible for what happened to Bucky are among them.]

If he returns, he must be kept away from Barnes. You can count on my assistance.

And, should more immediate talks go poorly and an outside perspective would be of use, you know how to reach me.
Edited 2023-07-30 00:58 (UTC)